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41  PAPER CRAFTS, SCRAPBOOKING & ATCs (ARTIST TRADING CARDS) / Paper Crafts: Completed Projects: General / Re: paper stars - stellated happiness [pix] TRY#2 on: March 13, 2006 04:34:57 AM
oh yeah, i hate that last part. I haven't really figured it out yet either. Usually wait till the glue's had a little time to dry a bit and thicken, spread glue on all the tabs at once and spread it up just a little bit onto the points the tabs are attached to and sometimes dip the bottom of the untabbed last point into the glue too. then just set it into place and hold it still and blow at the glue for a while and hope it works out OK. There's gotta be some kind of better way, and if you figure it out, let me know!

I dont know about 10 year olds at all. My neice is about that age, and I tried to see if she wanted to do any, but she didnt seem interested. All the sites I've seen suggest starting with the platonic solids cause they're simpler, but the small stellated dodecahedron seems especially easy I think. the compound of 5 tetrahedra looks supersimple and for me, at least, its one of the most annoying to put together, maybe because any flaw shows up more than in most cause its so obvious where the lines *should* be, and the pieces fit together funny. The ones on just 1 page look easier, cause they're just on 1 page, but that means tiny little folds and its kinda a hassle. But the small stellated dodecahedron on 1 page is easy and looks pretty. the great stellated dodecahedron is easier in the 2-page version than the 1-page version, but the largest pattern for that shape is easy too, I think, and it makes a nice big star, and I bet they'd like a big star. As a kid and maybe still now, i feel like bigger things are always more impressive even though it turns out smaller things are often more difficult. And making stars is a lot more fun than selling cookies!!!
42  PAPER CRAFTS, SCRAPBOOKING & ATCs (ARTIST TRADING CARDS) / Paper Crafts: Completed Projects: General / Re: paper stars - stellated happiness [pix] TRY#2 on: March 12, 2006 10:54:57 PM
what one are you doing? fold where the lines are. in some of the patterns, some of the folds are the other direction, but thats usually shown by dotted lines i think. on each point there's a closing tab on the side of the triangles - once its all been folded, start by smearing a little glue all over that closing tab, fold the farthest-away side of that point over the glued tab, so its nice and straight. Once all the points are glued closed, it starts making sense where the between-points tabs live. then you glue those into place. if you want to hang it up, sometime before its all finished thread a needle with thread or fishing wire or whatever, make a real big knot in the end or knot it around a bead or something, and pierce one of the points from the inside with the needle. then when you do close up the star at the end the string comes straight out of it instead of having to have a visible loop and visible knot.
It helps make the folds easier if you score first, and it helps to score easier if you score before cutting. line up a ruler or something where the lines on the pattern are, hold it down, and drag the sharp point of a compass or something across the line, for every line. Not to cut the paper but to let the paper know where its supposed to fold.
43  PAPER CRAFTS, SCRAPBOOKING & ATCs (ARTIST TRADING CARDS) / Paper Crafts: Completed Projects: General / Re: paper stars - stellated happiness [pix] TRY#2 on: March 09, 2006 09:38:27 PM
Dude, the first month I had no idea what the hell was going on, I just kept working based on pure faith in the patterns to make it all good in the end. Part of why I started actually was I was hoping this hobby could maybe improve my seriously lacking spatial ability and dexterity. (it didn't - I still have no idea at all what it'll look like until its hanging and finished, I can't even figure out what parts will connect to what without making a mockup thingie first)

The first one i modified, cause i think its the easiest, was the "ninth stellation of the icosahedron". Between each 3 long 5-sided points, there's the perfect spot to set in a 3-sided point. Just make a triangle whose base width is the same or less than the base width of the one in the pattern, trace it and rotate it so theres 3 triangles attached to each other side by side, with tabs at the bottom of each, and a tab to close. Easiest way is to just print out an extra copy of the pattern and cut off the last two parts, and cut off the pattern's tabs and treat the bottom triangular bit as the tabs of the 3-sided points. Fold those under so you got a 3-sided pyramid, stamp it on some glue, and set it in place. For those patterns you need 20 3-sided points.
Using triangles you can make any shape into a star. I'm not into this for the math-ness, so I don't care about them being geometrically awesome or whatever - I don't care if they're truly "stellated regular polyhedra" or whatever. I still can't really wrap my head around that whole thing. But you find any shape thats got sides that are regular 2d shapes (like all the sides the same length) and make points with as many triangles hooked together as there are sides for that shape, maybe a different length for points based on other face-shapes in the 3d polyhedra... My words aren't working too well here, I'm sorry. Pictures will help explain soon.
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I have started using the computer to rotate the parts, but before I just cut out from paper to trace.

scoring really helps save time overall by making the folding easier. ruler, compass, simple.

Two that are currently in progress and almost entirely photoshopped are straight from the pdfs and are gonna be a lot bigger than most of the ones I've colored myself -
the 6th stellation of the icosahedron:
http://www.waxor.com/~child/starpage/bandwidthfriendly/gonnamakethissmall.jpg

and the Great Icosahedron:
http://www.waxor.com/~child/starpage/bandwidthfriendly/screencapcoloredsmall.jpg

Another I'm doing with pencils is based on some shape I can't even pronounce, called, um... "great rhombicosidodecahed ron" I can't wait to see how it turns out, but its slow cause there are a whole lot of points on that sucker.

Other tips - I dunno, I was hoping to get other people into this so they'd have tips to give me!!
I'm so glad to finally infect other people with this obsession - not that I want to cause ruin in anyone's life, but I guess just like misery loves company, obsession's more fun with company too. Seems like thats exactly why craftster exists, actually.
44  PAPER CRAFTS, SCRAPBOOKING & ATCs (ARTIST TRADING CARDS) / Artist Trading Cards (ATCs) / Re: I think I've got a new obsession...experiments in ATCs (opinions please) on: March 09, 2006 03:13:48 PM
wowie, pretty!!! - but (sorry for my ignorance) what does ATC stand for?
45  PAPER CRAFTS, SCRAPBOOKING & ATCs (ARTIST TRADING CARDS) / Paper Crafts: Completed Projects: General / Re: paper stars - stellated happiness [pix] TRY#2 on: March 09, 2006 03:10:43 PM
Thank you all for all the nice comments and suggestions!
Yeah, I tend to fall into obsessions too, but they don't usually last all that long. Until this the longest was when Soundforge and Acid ate my world for about 3 weeks and I left my room *maybe* 10 times including walking down the hall to nuke chicken soup. But this hobby owns me. I sometimes even skip school cause I don't want to stop. My world's mostly come down to watching nonstop downloaded TV while I drink mountain dew and smoke cigarettes and color stars, and since I'm not a spontaneous adventure-loving change-friendly kind of person, I consider it not so much a "rut" as "heaven". Smiley
I'm surprised by how positive your responses have been, cause the quality of my photos is sucky and I thought they didn't do the real thing justice. In art class once I hadn't done any work so I matted a whole bunch of doodles to show for my time and once matted, everyone was all "woooowwwww" so I get how important presentation is. So thank you guys for seeing past the blurriness!

I'm thinking of doing elementary-school-style foil embossing for star panels, to make it less papery and more metaly and see if that changes how valuable they look. One friend noted that people seem to prefer to spend more for a thing that weighs more too. On tv once they showed something about people making jelly and selling it at a regular grocery store - at first they priced it lower than all the brands sold there, thinking it would sell best that way, but the jelly just sat and got dusty. Then they tried again, but charged like twice as much as the most expensive brand, and all of a sudden the store couldnt keep it stocked. So I guess maybe if I treat them like I don't know they're "just paper", maybe rich potential customers would fail to notice that little fact? At new years, a friend of mine had a little beaded thing clipped in his hair, and I complimented it, and he said his friend makes those, calls them "ornaments" and sells them online for like 80 bucks. It was definitely beautiful and the beads were nice and well-chosen, but it was still basically half a dozen glass and shell beads on a chain on a clip. I should find the website she sells them at.
Still, I feel like the idea of making money from these stars is kinda farfetched. I never sold anything but girlscout cookies and ritalin. And I don't think my living room has enough stars yet, so it wouldn't be at all easy to part with them - greedy for the stars more than for the cash, I guess, backwards as that is.

one important thing I forgot to mention: DONT USE RUBBER CEMENT!!!
I ran out of elmers and used rubber cement once, found it was easier to work with cause it didn't risk wrinkling the paper, and made a few without white glue for a couple weeks. All was fine until several months later they ALL fell apart in mid-air. Oops! It was very very sad. Regular elmers glue seems to be better at not wrinkling if I leave the bottlecap of glue out for a few minutes to let it get a little thicker, then spread it on very lightly on the tabs with a toothpick. So far none of the white-glue ones have fallen apart on me.

And someone mentioned something about making paper heat-resistant? Got any brand names or details about such a wonderful product? Another thing I wondered about was a hardener or thickener, something I could spray on already-made stars that were too large for the thinness of the paper and were flimsy. Tried clear spray paint, but that didn't seem to do it, and spray starch was too wet and would have made the paper wrinkle up and deform. Had a big Great Icosahedron much much bigger than my head, but it couldn't support its own weight and ended up getting trashed after it was finally done. A similarly sized "Final stellation of the icosahedron" met the same fate. I suppose the trick is to use stronger paper to start out with, but those were sadnesses too. Spraying stuff is fun.

I bet these could be real cool and moderately easy if done with yarn-covered plastic canvas? I miss all the little-kid arts & crafts, I loved that shit. I guess we all do, here! maybe I'll get happilly regressive one day and glue on beads and macaroni.

OK this is long now and guild wars wants me to install it.

STELLATE MY LIFE
46  PAPER CRAFTS, SCRAPBOOKING & ATCs (ARTIST TRADING CARDS) / Paper Crafts: Completed Projects: General / Re: paper stars - stellated happiness [pix] TRY#2 on: March 09, 2006 09:02:03 AM
Thank you!!
47  PAPER CRAFTS, SCRAPBOOKING & ATCs (ARTIST TRADING CARDS) / Paper Crafts: Completed Projects: General / paper stars - stellated happiness [pix] TRY#2 -updates p.9, 11, 17, 18; tut p.15 on: March 09, 2006 03:11:06 AM
Hi, this is my first post, yay
So I make these paper stars a lot, and its been eating up my life for a while now. Like these:

http://www.waxor.com/~child/starpage/bandwidthfriendly/yayprettyclosesmall.jpg

There are a bunch more here: http://www.waxor.com/~child/starpage/

It started with pdfs of blank star shapes from here: http://www.korthalsaltes.com/index.html
that site seems to be down lately; the ones I've saved are reposted here: http://www.waxor.com/~child/pdfs
then I started adding on extra points and drawing on the patterns and coloring with pencils and hanging beads and now, to quote KMFDM, "i'm out of control - and i love it!"
This shit is so fun and so cheap. Printer paper, the regular kind. Elmers glue. colored pencils. fucking toothpicks. Used to draw a few cells in and kinda makeshift light-table it onto the rest, now my dad has a fancy printer with a scanner so I go there and photoshop to rotate them into positions. Superexcited for my works in progress, which include an all-photoshop star (my first!) and another excessively embellished with the 1 pixel pencil tool. Many stars didn't get a clear enough picture the first time I borrowed the camera, and more designs have been completed since I took these, so I'll hopefully post another batch soon whether y'all reply or not  Smiley Then the patterns are scored for the easy folding, cut, folded, glued, and hung from the pipes on the ceiling. When we ran out of room on those we started stringing a net across the room. So far my buddy counted like 80 or 90 I think, but I want to completely fill my apartment with them. One website on the topic likened paper polyhedra models to tribbles, and I've come to see the wisdom in that.

But I'm thinking, EVERYONE SHOULD MAKE STARS!!! They are fun to make. They are stupidly easy to make, but the more you're into it, the cooler shit you'll think up to do. So it like stretches, its not any little bit hard to start and there doesnt seem to be a limit to how far you can take them. And its super cheap. and its fun. My motives for trying to spread this infection: it took me way too long from when I started just spray painting them till I started making my own patterns, and there've been a few helpful epiphanies spread out over the whole timeline. But, if other people start, and have their own different epiphanies, and then we can all "steal" each others' cool ideas, which could speed up our own new ideas, which can then be shared to speed up other new ideas, etc.. and soon the stars will be AWESOME. For example, I've been mulling over ideas about how to safely light them up as lamps. So far, nothing for sure. Maybe someone knowing more about lightbulbs would solve this problem. Thinking about non-paper materials too, but there's a problem with setting the angles just right - the nice thing about the paper is that when its all finally put together, the angles sort themselves out on their own. But the point is, everyone should be making stars. The meme needs to spread.

And for my first post here, this is getting awfully long, so I go now. Thanks for looking!
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