I ordered another pound of roving from Birkeland bros. I know how fast they ship, and give refunds on shipping cost when its due. And all the other fiber I got from there is gorgeous, just frustrated with the raw stuff. I think I really need a drum carder if I want to really dig into it. So still no real progress on this swap. have the medium figured out maybe. I need to make a proto type to see if it will work for Oddacity. If not, then back up plan it is. Which is still wonderful, but I really want plan A to work out.