I jumped ahead on Rox's big item and put down the pliers for a bit. soooo much easier in the area i jumped to! Nowhere near done, but progress is being made.Ack, I was hoping you wouldn't have to use the pliers still. Can you all believe the lengths this lady is going thru for me? Thanks so much Ave. I know that I will love and treasure it!!! I didn't get out my hammer last night at all because I ended up talking with Lana about what defines a hero.